Dear Steve Homewood
I have just come across your site www.brightonbottles.com and was very
excited to see a bottle from 'John Clayton Ltd' on there.
I am almost sure that the said John Clayton is one of my ancestors (in
fact 1st cousin, twice removed if my genealogy program is to be
believed!). His address was given in the 1901 census as 9 Springfield
Road, Brighton and his occupation as Brewer.
There are several other ancestors who were described variously as
'Brewer of non-intoxicants', 'Mineral water manufacturer' etc
I should be most grateful if you could possibly give me any background
to the bottle and the company that made it.
Many, many thanks in anticipation.
John Clayton.
IF ANYONE CAN HELP JOHN WITH INFO OF FIND HIM A BOTTLE CONTACT EMAIL IS;
...and a second message relating to this company from Dave..........
John Clayton ltd
26 Castle Street, Brighton 1902 - 1907
20a German Place, Brighton 1905 - 1907
Mathew Ellis & Co.
21 Oxford Place Brighton 1874 to 1895
8 Brunswick Row & 24 Oxford Place 1874 to 1907
44 London Road 1870
(bottle made at The Fulham Pottery London.)
| Roy: Hi, thank you for this excellent site - I have collected a few old bottles over the years - but your site is of particular interest. You show bottles from the Brighton mineral water company Ellis and Beale - this was founded by Charles Ellis and George Beal. Charles Ellis was my G.G. Grandfather. A few years ago you could still see the remains of their sign above their premises in Cheltenham Place (was a garage workshop when I went to look). Any one with bottles from this co. for sale? |
***Roy writes;
Roy: Hi,
Re: Ellis Beal & Co.
the co-founder was Beal not Beale; any bottles with Beale were mistakes.
You note that one of your bottles of this co. says 'Established 1862'
but that Derek Askey's book 'Sussex Bottle Collectors Guide' lists this company as 1869 to 1914.
I found an entry in the Post Office Directory of Sussex 1866 which has
'Sinden and Ellis Maufacturer of Mineral Waters. 1 Cheltenham Place'
There was also, a possibly related, Edmund John Sinden - Crown Brewery, 26 Jubilee St.
At this time George Beal (34 Cheltenham St.) was listed as a baker ( I believe Charles Ellis was also previously a baker).
I suspect 'Sinden and Ellis' started in 1862 and changed to Ellis Beal & Co. in 1869.
Charles Ellis died in 1874 and his place in the co. was taken by his wife Harriett.
By the way, you also have a stoneware bottle of Mathew Ellis & Co. 21 Oxford Place Brighton
Mathew Ellis was from originally Yorkshire and is not related, as far as I can tell, to Charles Ellis (originally from Essex).
A useful website of historical directories (with some good adverts of mineral water makers) is:
www.historicaldirectories .org
The Brighton & South Coast Mineral Waters Co.
44/46 George Street Brighton1884 to 1899
(bottle made by Price, Bristol.)
Note the Trade Mark, intertwined initials 'WAY'
This has been an issue for some time but in Oct. 08 I recieved an email that may explain it;
Hi Steve,
You may recall that I recently aked about the AWY trade mark on the South Coast Mineral waters bottle. You were very helpful, offered a possible answer, but did say you too were unsure what it meant. Well a colleague of mine has come up with the following, which I personally find a more acceptable answer. Hopefully, you will too.
Roy
A mineral water manufactory existed on the George Street site from around 1880 onwards. In that year a Brighton Mineral Water Manufacturer, George Francis Way (note last name) surrendered the lease to Edward Herbert Dines. In 1882 the company at that location was listed to William Dines & Co., Mineral Water Manufacturer. By 1884 it had become the South Coast Mineral Water Co. George Way purportedly died 18th Feb 1887 and it is possibly that in deference to him that the bottle carries WAY as a trademark.
Regards
Andy
Henry Shilling & Co
9/10 Middle Street Brighton c1915
also
21/3 Middle Street after 1915
77 Beaconsfield Road 1843 to 1909
This is a picorial of Brighton Pavilion and if you look closely
'BRIGHTON' is printed in the decoration across the Dome.
The Brighton Pavilion was built by William Porden in 1803
and re-designed by John Nash in 1815/1822
Here the Prince Regent, later to become King George 1V,
used to enjoy discreet liaisons with his lifelong friend Mrs Fitzherbert.
(no pottery mark)
Perfection Mineral Water Works
24 York Villas, Hove
1912 to1939
Good Evening,
I have been researching my ancestry for some time and i have come across your website through a connection with my great grandfather. My great grandfather is Matthew Bell, he was owner of Bell Bros and then Perfection mineral water before having to sell up for financial reasons. I have the records of the sale. The address of 24 Yorke Villas was the bell residence for some years. I was wondering if you have any connections that would be able to direct me towards locating a bottle from either company that i would be able to purchase for my mother. She was resident in Hove for her younger years and has since visited Yorke villas on her travels.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will have further details available for you in relation to dates in the not too distant future.
Kind regards Phil
Ellis Beale & Co
1&2/36a Cheltenham Place Brighton
1869 to 1914
This rather unusual bottle has a partner
on the 'GLASS' page.
Both advertise 'HONEY BREWED' ginger beer.
| Roy: Hi, thank you for this excellent site - I have collected a few old bottles over the years - but your site is of particular interest. You show bottles from the Brighton mineral water company Ellis and Beale - this was founded by Charles Ellis and George Beal. Charles Ellis was my G.G. Grandfather. A few years ago you could still see the remains of their sign above their premises in Cheltenham Place (was a garage workshop when I went to look). Any one with bottles from this co. for sale? |
***Roy writes;
Roy: Hi,
Re: Ellis Beal & Co.
the co-founder was Beal not Beale; any bottles with Beale were mistakes.
You note that one of your bottles of this co. says 'Established 1862'
but that Derek Askey's book 'Sussex Bottle Collectors Guide' lists this company as 1869 to 1914.
I found an entry in the Post Office Directory of Sussex 1866 which has
'Sinden and Ellis Maufacturer of Mineral Waters. 1 Cheltenham Place'
There was also, a possibly related, Edmund John Sinden - Crown Brewery, 26 Jubilee St.
At this time George Beal (34 Cheltenham St.) was listed as a baker ( I believe Charles Ellis was also previously a baker).
I suspect 'Sinden and Ellis' started in 1862 and changed to Ellis Beal & Co. in 1869.
Charles Ellis died in 1874 and his place in the co. was taken by his wife Harriett.
By the way, you also have a stoneware bottle of Mathew Ellis & Co. 21 Oxford Place Brighton
Mathew Ellis was from originally Yorkshire and is not related, as far as I can tell, to Charles Ellis (originally from Essex).
A useful website of historical directories (with some good adverts of mineral water makers) is:
Sussex Mineral Waters Co.(Lawman & Wyborn)
10,11,31,32 Hernry Street, Brighton
